Charlie: Oh hi!
I: Hi. How many collared shirts from Lacoste do you have?
Charlie: Ah... I have 8 or 12.
I: Oh that's quite a lot (8 or 12? 8 and 12 are not so close).
Charlie: But I am not sure. I will give you the specific number.
I: Okay, that will be great. Do you know how many sweater vests Nora has?
Charlie: No.. I honestly did not notice that Nora had many sweater vests.
I: I know she has a lot, but I don't know the exact number of sweater vests she has.
Charlie: oh well...
I: I will ask Nora today.
Charlie: Oh thanks.
I: No problem. Thank you for telling me how many collared shirts you have.

So I asked Nora and she said she has 41 sweater vests. I know some of them are men's since she once told me that she bought men's sweater vests, for they are much cheaper than women's. She's smart.